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When Other Kids Suck the Joy Out of Beloved Activities

When Other Kids Suck the Joy Out of Beloved Activities

By Mir Kamin

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B writes:

How do you deal with activity groups (I am specifically thinking about Scouts, but could be any club, I think) where your child (and you) have put in a huge amount of time, effort, money, etc., with the thought that you are part of a caring group who support each other, and when it really matters, they get no support at all. My son is in Boy Scouts and working on his Eagle Project. We have allowed many boys to use our shop and my father as a mentor for their projects, with the understanding that when it comes time to help my son, they will. He has asked for some help—and did a bake sale to raise funds—and got nothing from anyone within the troop. He’s also trying to start up a VEX robotics team with the Scouts (we pitched in a lot of money for this), did a great presentation to the leaders and got their support, but just got heckled and picked on from the boys who want nothing to do with him or it. He is so close to finishing but wants to quit due to a bunch of rotten kids. How do we explain to stick it out and just ignore the jerks?

Oh, boy. I’m really sorry to hear this is happening to your family.

Your question is about how you get your son more willing/able to stick it out, but I’m going to get to that part in a minute. I think there’s a couple of other items to address, here, before we’re ready to talk about that.

All other things being equal, does your son love Scouts? While my family doesn’t participate in Scouts, we have friends who do, and I understand that by the time you’re embarking on your Eagle Scout Project you’ve literally committed years to the organization. Lack of support and poorly-behaving pack members aside, is this still something your son loves? This is a conversation worth having as a family, in my opinion. See if you can get him to tease apart the hard stuff from the actual business of scouting and see if he’s still wanting to proceed. I’m a fan of seeing through one’s commitments, but there is a difference between “I want to quit because everyone is being awful” and “I want to quit because everyone is being awful and also I no longer care about this.” Your question assumes the bad stuff is tainting the whole experience, but maybe make sure that’s the case before proceeding. I’m not saying I think this is the case, but maybe there’s some lack of support because your son doesn’t want to keep going and the other pack members know that…? It’s a possibility, and all I’m saying is be clear on this before deciding how to move forward. If for whatever reason he just hates everything about it, I’m not sure I’d force him to continue, personally.

Assuming he does love Scouts and wants to continue, what can be done about the pack dynamics? Again, from what I understanding about scouting (though, admittedly, as a bystander), the behavior you’re describing is unacceptable, period. If the pack leaders are behind your son’s ideas, why are the other pack members being permitted to belittle him and refuse to help? Do the leaders know this is happening? Has there been a recent discussion about everyone working together, etc.? I know teenagers can act like unruly beasts and not everything can be fixed with adult intervention, but any leader worth their salt would be stepping in to rectify this situation. So either the leaders don’t know (in which case, time for a meeting with them) or don’t care (in which case, ouch). If nothing else, it seems a pack meeting about respect and reciprocity is in order. If your family has assisted other kids who are now turning up their noses at your son, that’s appalling and needs to be addressed among the adults involved, and then directly with the kids.

Please understand that I say all of this as a parent of a kid who gets picked on a lot because he is different and awkward. I’ve been through every possible iteration of “how do we get through these activities in the least harmful way.” I sing the praises of marching band over and over (both here and everywhere else), and I would love to tell you that we never experienced anything negative there, but that wouldn’t be true. What I can tell you is that a good leader emphasizing group unity and support will keep that nonsense to a minimum. Has my son been bullied in marching band? Yes (though much less often than has happened elsewhere). On the other hand, when it comes to accomplishing band goals, he was never impeded (and has often been helped) because the group—including the more difficult kids—knows how important it is and how disappointed the director would be if they didn’t find a way to work together. I guess what I’m saying is that kids may well act like jerks no matter what, but adult leaders should be held accountable for instilling “good groupthink” to keep productivity and kindness at the forefront.

Finally: How do you help him stick it out at this point? Assuming you’ve established that he really does want to complete his project, and you’ve done everything in your power to get the leaders to address these issues with the troop, and things are still not optimal (because that’s a real possibility), how do you help your son move forward? Life lessons abound in this situation, obviously. We can’t control other people. We shouldn’t let other people rob us of our own joy and/or productivity. Sometimes life just isn’t fair. And so on—pick your favorite aphorism and go with it, but it probably won’t be enough to make this situation fun. So here’s what else you do: You sit down with your son and talk and then really listen to what he needs. “How can I make this situation better for you? What are the practical steps we can take to make this easier?” Think about what works best for him in terms of enduring an unpleasant situation. Would writing out a full schedule, complete with a countdown to when he’s done, help? Do you know other folks he can turn to for assistance if his troop continues to be uncooperative? How can the necessary steps be split up into manageable chunks so they can be interspersed with more pleasant life activities and he doesn’t get bogged down in the negativity?

In our family, we talk a lot about how others’ poor behavior is 99% about them and shouldn’t be taken personally. Reframing is the name of the game; if someone is being horrible to you, most likely they’re unhappy, themselves, and can use some extra kindness. We also talk about the future—how great it will be, later on, when the kids have more freedom to structure their lives and remove a lot of the interactions which are currently stressful but unavoidable. At the same time, I try to highlight that almost no one gets to live a stress-free life, and even in adulthood there are times when we have to endure unpleasant people. It stinks, but that’s life. The sooner we learn how to cope with these things, the stronger and better off we are. (And for whatever it’s worth, I always found the advice to “ignore the haters” or whatever very difficult to follow, as do my kids. It’s hard to ignore what’s hurtful. Again, reframe: “notice and move on” is what we say, instead. Because of course they notice! But then take a minute to go, “Huh, that really has everything to do with them and nothing to do with me and I’m not going to let it interfere with my goals.” Done.)

In short: You may be able to effect some change by speaking with the leaders, and you may not, but either way, you can best support your son by acknowledging the difficulties here and working together to help him find his way through. I’m going to cross my fingers that the leaders come through for you. Even if they don’t, though, it sounds like your kiddo has some awesome parents behind him. I think he’ll be okay.

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Mir Kamin
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Mir Kamin

Mir Kamin began writing about her life online over a decade ago, back when she was a divorced mom trying to raise two regular little kids and figure out what she wanted to be when she grew up. Now ...

Mir Kamin began writing about her life online over a decade ago, back when she was a divorced mom trying to raise two regular little kids and figure out what she wanted to be when she grew up. Now her life looks very different than it did back then: Those little kids turned into anything-but-regular teenagers, she is remarried, and somehow she’s become one of those people who talks to her dogs in a high-pitched baby voice. Along the way she’s continued chronicling the everyday at Woulda Coulda Shoulda, plus she’s bringing you daily bargain therapy at Want Not. The good news is that Mir grew up and became a writer and she still really likes hanging out with her kids; the bad news is that her hair is a lot grayer than it used to be.

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  • Pamela James

    I would have liked to know how the story ended. Hopefully well

    • b

      Pamela, I am the parent that sent in this question. Mir hit on allot of our issues and had some great ideas. He does love scouts and wanted to stick it out. Unfortunately, it is a troop issue and leaders are part of the problem so nothing has really been done. But, my son got a few friends together and completed his project without the help of the troop and is now an Eagle Scout! He is still a part of scouts but has decided not to do the big Eagle Ceremony through the troop and instead will have a small party with only friends and family that he invites. We are very proud of him and know he did allot of hard work to get this done with very little scout support so we feel he can step away from them now. The troop doesn’t get to just enjoy the parties and not do the work. He started high school last month and is doing many new things and I think is finally finding “his people” and happy. 🙂

  • Meg Murry-ish

    I have to wonder if the letter writer is in a significantly different place financially than the rest of the troop. First, there was a bake sale which didn’t get support (which costs money to bake for or to buy from) and then there were the Legos which OP mentions they already pitched in a lot of money for. It may be that the other members just can’t afford to do projects on the same scale that OP and her son are thinking of (or that there has been some kind of change where they were able to a few years ago but can’t now if they are in belt tightening mode in preparation for college, etc). It’s also possible that her son’s interests (Lego Robotics) might not be in line with the rest of the troop (maybe they are more into woodworking or hiking and camping, etc), and maybe OP and her son need to find another venue/group for the Robotics club, like the local school or community center.

    Unfortunately, I also wonder if the other boys are “done” with scouts, but their parents aren’t letting them quit, so instead they are acting out at scouts. Is there at least one boy in the troop that gets along with your son and has similar interests? If so, can he just focus on working with that one boy, and tune out the rest of the hecklers?

    Last option – are there other troops in the area, and could he jump ship to one of those? I know in my area there was a lot of consolidation in girl scouts every time we went up a level, because there were fewer and fewer girls. Or, as much as it stinks, can he just assume he’s not going to get much support from his troop, do what he can do individually to work toward his Eagle Scout rank, and look to expand his interests into other extracurriculars (perhaps his school has an engineering club, or a volunteering group or a hiking club, etc that could take some of the place that scouts used to hold in his life)?

    It stinks that he’s not getting support from his troop – but maybe he can find others to support him and move on from this group of kids? Or maybe if the hecklers are older they will be graduating soon and your son can wait them out, and there will be a new group of younger boys he can mentor soon?